Vaticaan begrijpt antipsychiatrie/zelfhulp of toch niet ?
Geplaatst: ma jun 24, 2013 10:07 pmHet Vaticaan interesseert zich voor psychiatrie / antipsychiatrie / zelfhulp(groepen) / psychofarmaca.
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Critical Psychiatry has reached the Vatican!
Listen to the indisputable correct description and analysis of psychiatry’s destruction of human beings and its scientific fraud in this video interview with Professor Pat Bracken in the Vatican.
In the interview Pat Bracken also highlights the importance of the psychiatric survivor movement.
Press Event - Open Paradigm Interview with Pat Bracken - from Vatican Conference on Psych Drugs
new.livestream.com
Vatican Conference on Psych Drugs by Open Paradigm Project on Livestream - Livestream.com
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Jos Strolenberg I think humanism, reason and science is better fur us and the world as religion. Theism war- & violence- generating force.
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Jos Strolenberg Atheism peace keeping force.
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Jos Strolenberg http://www.richarddawkins.net/
Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason & Science
http://www.richarddawkins.net
Our mission is to support scientific education and critical thinking to overcome religious fundamentalism, superstition, intolerance and suffering
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Jos Strolenberg The dark side of religion. The dark side of the force.
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Maths Jesperson There is no contradiction between reason and religion, or science and religion. As mankind is created by God in His image and likeness, man is created with reason. Science is just a way to get a deeper understanding of God’s creation and how it works.
...Mehr anzeigen
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Jos Strolenberg I see Maths, you don't know what atheisme really is. Most people also don't know what atheism really is. I know what antipsychiatry really is and I know what atheism really is.
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Jos Strolenberg I am an psychiatric survivor and vice-president of the ASP (Atheistic Secular Party)
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Jos Strolenberg http://www.atheistisch-seculiere-partij.nl
Atheïstisch Seculiere Partij (ASP) | Partij van de Rede
http://www.atheistisch-seculiere-partij.nl
Naar aanleiding van de discussie over de sharia-driehoek in Den Haag van het dag...Mehr anzeigen
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Maths Jesperson http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/comment ... -forgiven/
Come back, Richard Dawkins, all is forgiven
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk
Beware the patronising 'new new atheists' adopting the philosophical centre ground
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Jos Strolenberg This site you can learn about what atheism really is. The site of the founder ASP. http://atheistischebeweging.nl/
Atheistische Beweging
atheistischebeweging.nl
Atheistische Beweging
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Jos Strolenberg You know the bet of blaise pascal ?
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Jos Strolenberg I have a new bet.
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Jos Strolenberg First comes humanity and human rights, I don't compromise with all the violence of religion !
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Maths Jesperson It is actually of no use to discuss religion with atheists, because atheists haven’t had the experience of the living God and because of that don’t know what it is all about. If the Christian belief was what atheists think it is, it would really be stu...Mehr anzeigen
http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/dawkins’-debunkers
http://www.catholic.com
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Jos Strolenberg Psychiatry and religion are patriachal repressing systems
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Jos Strolenberg Why you are so catholic ?
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Jos Strolenberg Sweden is a lutharian nation
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Jos Strolenberg You remember what carl said on the Vejle worldconference ?
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Jos Strolenberg Luther is a liar !
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Jos Strolenberg Carl Bach
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Jos Strolenberg 2006
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Jos Strolenberg are you still online Maths ?
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Maths Jesperson Because it works. Because I know by personal experience that what it says is true. Because I have an ongoing dialogue with the living God and His intervention always go right.
Because the Catholic Church is founded by Christ himself and not by human be...Mehr anzeigen
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Jos Strolenberg I am also gnostic, diagnose paranoid psychotic also non-atheist, but I am against violence and therefore I am for human rights and against war- and violence- generating religion. Religion makes abuse of God !
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Jos Strolenberg It takes a time to understand atheism ! Just as it takes a time to understand antipsychiatry -;)
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Maths Jesperson Jos, I have to leave now, but I'm open to continue the discussion another day. I don't agree with this modern view of trying to take God out of religion: "I believe in God but not in religion..." I cannot speak for all religions, but generally religion doesn't abusxe God, but on the contrary.
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Jos Strolenberg The article in the catholic herald. #polemic #AdHominem #Lies #Silly about #SirRichardDawkins
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Jos Strolenberg https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... V5RKT6Q8qU
Postpsychiatry -Reaching beyond the technological paradigm in mental health
See more at: http://www.postpsychiatry.com Lecture by psychiatrist & philosopher Patric...Mehr anzeigen
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Jos Strolenberg #SirRichardDawkins SET US FREE !
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Maths Jesperson Dawkins's ideas are just stupid, but he is a dangerous man, that lead people away from life and into slavery.
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Maths Jesperson Don't be fooled by worldly treasures that seduce people but leave them tired, loveless and empty, Pope Francis said.
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/storie ... 302704.htm
CNS STORY: Pope: Let your restless heart seek God, not worldly treasures
http://www.catholicnews.com
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Jos Strolenberg We #prisonersofpsychiatry would be foolish to become prisoners of #religion is MHO
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Jos Strolenberg Especially prisoners of one religion. The #CatholicChurch.
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Maths Jesperson The Catholic Church is not a prison, but the opposite. It’s the source of life, peace, truth and freedom.
Samstag um 14:45 · Gefällt mir · 1
Maths Jesperson Before he became pope, Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio discussed atheism with a rabbi friend in the book On Heaven and Earth and expressed similar opinions:
When I speak with atheists, I will sometimes discuss social concerns, but I do not propose the ...Mehr anzeigen
Pope Francis's Atheist Outreach
http://www.buzzfeed.com
The new leader of the Catholic Church is the first pope in recent years to reach out to non-believers instead of demonizing them.
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Jos Strolenberg #Vatican seems to serve #psychiatry instead of understands what #antispychiatry and autonom #selfhelpgroups are all about. http://www.madinamerica.com/2013/06/the ... -outcomes/
The Vatican, Ritalin, and a Canadian Study of Long-term ADHD Outcomes - Mad In America
http://www.madinamerica.com
The Vatican conference on “The Child as a Person and as a Patient: Therapeutic A...Mehr anzeigen
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Maths Jesperson The Catholic Church has made no statement about psychiatry as far as I know. The seminar in the Vatican was about the growing use of psychotropic medication on children. I guess it’s part of a process, which will end in the Vatican making some kind of statement and perhaps also develops a policy around this issue.
According to the Catholic News Agency this was the aim of the conference:
The Pontifical Council for the Pastoral Care of Health Care Workers has organized the conference in hopes of bringing together professionals to discuss the harmful consequences of overusing prescription drugs for treating mental and emotional disorders in children as well as how a similar trend is hurting pregnant mothers.
“Pharmaceutical industries spend millions and millions of dollars on misinformation and we want to counteract that with this conference,” Duncan said.
According to Duncan, misinformed physicians are now frequently recommending children to take one of two main groups of drugs, Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors, better known as SSRIs, and anti-psychotics.
“SSRIs double the risk of suicide for children while anti-psychotics cause cardiovascular problems, obesity and diabetes,” said Duncan.
He said prescriptions for psychiatric drugs have increased by 274 percent globally in over 50 countries since 2003. In the United States alone, 11 million SSRIs are being given to children each year, he added.
“Anti-psychotics used to be reserved for adults with serious mental disorders but now they’re being given to children who are poor because it is the easier option,” he added.
The conference hopes to prove that “psychosocial options” are better than “psychotropic care.” In other words, a sort of psychotherapy is safer than drugs, which are the cheaper and faster option.
http://cal-catholic.com/wordpress/2013/ ... ince-2003/
Use of psychotropic drugs up 274% since 2003
cal-catholic.com
An upcoming conference at the Vatican will examine the harmful effects of using ...Mehr anzeigen
vor 9 Stunden · Gefällt mir
Kopie van relevante discussie :
Critical Psychiatry has reached the Vatican!
Listen to the indisputable correct description and analysis of psychiatry’s destruction of human beings and its scientific fraud in this video interview with Professor Pat Bracken in the Vatican.
In the interview Pat Bracken also highlights the importance of the psychiatric survivor movement.
Press Event - Open Paradigm Interview with Pat Bracken - from Vatican Conference on Psych Drugs
new.livestream.com
Vatican Conference on Psych Drugs by Open Paradigm Project on Livestream - Livestream.com
3Gefällt mir · · Beitrag nicht mehr folgen · Teilen
5 Personen gefällt das.
Jos Strolenberg I think humanism, reason and science is better fur us and the world as religion. Theism war- & violence- generating force.
17. Juni um 22:46 · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg Atheism peace keeping force.
17. Juni um 22:47 · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg http://www.richarddawkins.net/
Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason & Science
http://www.richarddawkins.net
Our mission is to support scientific education and critical thinking to overcome religious fundamentalism, superstition, intolerance and suffering
17. Juni um 22:50 · Gefällt mir · Vorschau entfernen
Jos Strolenberg The dark side of religion. The dark side of the force.
17. Juni um 22:59 · Gefällt mir
Maths Jesperson There is no contradiction between reason and religion, or science and religion. As mankind is created by God in His image and likeness, man is created with reason. Science is just a way to get a deeper understanding of God’s creation and how it works.
...Mehr anzeigen
17. Juni um 23:17 · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg I see Maths, you don't know what atheisme really is. Most people also don't know what atheism really is. I know what antipsychiatry really is and I know what atheism really is.
17. Juni um 23:22 · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg I am an psychiatric survivor and vice-president of the ASP (Atheistic Secular Party)
17. Juni um 23:24 · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg http://www.atheistisch-seculiere-partij.nl
Atheïstisch Seculiere Partij (ASP) | Partij van de Rede
http://www.atheistisch-seculiere-partij.nl
Naar aanleiding van de discussie over de sharia-driehoek in Den Haag van het dag...Mehr anzeigen
17. Juni um 23:24 · Gefällt mir · Vorschau entfernen
Maths Jesperson http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/comment ... -forgiven/
Come back, Richard Dawkins, all is forgiven
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk
Beware the patronising 'new new atheists' adopting the philosophical centre ground
17. Juni um 23:27 · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg This site you can learn about what atheism really is. The site of the founder ASP. http://atheistischebeweging.nl/
Atheistische Beweging
atheistischebeweging.nl
Atheistische Beweging
17. Juni um 23:28 · Gefällt mir · Vorschau entfernen
Jos Strolenberg You know the bet of blaise pascal ?
17. Juni um 23:33 · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg I have a new bet.
17. Juni um 23:34 · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg First comes humanity and human rights, I don't compromise with all the violence of religion !
17. Juni um 23:36 · Gefällt mir
Maths Jesperson It is actually of no use to discuss religion with atheists, because atheists haven’t had the experience of the living God and because of that don’t know what it is all about. If the Christian belief was what atheists think it is, it would really be stu...Mehr anzeigen
http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/dawkins’-debunkers
http://www.catholic.com
17. Juni um 23:38 · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg Psychiatry and religion are patriachal repressing systems
17. Juni um 23:38 · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg Why you are so catholic ?
17. Juni um 23:40 · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg Sweden is a lutharian nation
17. Juni um 23:40 · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg You remember what carl said on the Vejle worldconference ?
17. Juni um 23:41 · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg Luther is a liar !
17. Juni um 23:41 · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg Carl Bach
17. Juni um 23:42 · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg 2006
17. Juni um 23:42 · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg are you still online Maths ?
17. Juni um 23:46 · Gefällt mir
Maths Jesperson Because it works. Because I know by personal experience that what it says is true. Because I have an ongoing dialogue with the living God and His intervention always go right.
Because the Catholic Church is founded by Christ himself and not by human be...Mehr anzeigen
17. Juni um 23:48 · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg I am also gnostic, diagnose paranoid psychotic also non-atheist, but I am against violence and therefore I am for human rights and against war- and violence- generating religion. Religion makes abuse of God !
17. Juni um 23:54 · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg It takes a time to understand atheism ! Just as it takes a time to understand antipsychiatry -;)
17. Juni um 23:58 · Gefällt mir
Maths Jesperson Jos, I have to leave now, but I'm open to continue the discussion another day. I don't agree with this modern view of trying to take God out of religion: "I believe in God but not in religion..." I cannot speak for all religions, but generally religion doesn't abusxe God, but on the contrary.
18. Juni um 00:02 · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg The article in the catholic herald. #polemic #AdHominem #Lies #Silly about #SirRichardDawkins
20. Juni um 22:55 · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... V5RKT6Q8qU
Postpsychiatry -Reaching beyond the technological paradigm in mental health
See more at: http://www.postpsychiatry.com Lecture by psychiatrist & philosopher Patric...Mehr anzeigen
Samstag um 13:04 · Gefällt mir · Vorschau entfernen
Jos Strolenberg #SirRichardDawkins SET US FREE !
Samstag um 13:28 · Gefällt mir
Maths Jesperson Dawkins's ideas are just stupid, but he is a dangerous man, that lead people away from life and into slavery.
Samstag um 13:46 · Gefällt mir
Maths Jesperson Don't be fooled by worldly treasures that seduce people but leave them tired, loveless and empty, Pope Francis said.
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/storie ... 302704.htm
CNS STORY: Pope: Let your restless heart seek God, not worldly treasures
http://www.catholicnews.com
Samstag um 13:51 · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg We #prisonersofpsychiatry would be foolish to become prisoners of #religion is MHO
Samstag um 14:29 · Bearbeitet · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg Especially prisoners of one religion. The #CatholicChurch.
Samstag um 14:27 · Bearbeitet · Gefällt mir
Maths Jesperson The Catholic Church is not a prison, but the opposite. It’s the source of life, peace, truth and freedom.
Samstag um 14:45 · Gefällt mir · 1
Maths Jesperson Before he became pope, Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio discussed atheism with a rabbi friend in the book On Heaven and Earth and expressed similar opinions:
When I speak with atheists, I will sometimes discuss social concerns, but I do not propose the ...Mehr anzeigen
Pope Francis's Atheist Outreach
http://www.buzzfeed.com
The new leader of the Catholic Church is the first pope in recent years to reach out to non-believers instead of demonizing them.
Samstag um 17:09 · Gefällt mir
Jos Strolenberg #Vatican seems to serve #psychiatry instead of understands what #antispychiatry and autonom #selfhelpgroups are all about. http://www.madinamerica.com/2013/06/the ... -outcomes/
The Vatican, Ritalin, and a Canadian Study of Long-term ADHD Outcomes - Mad In America
http://www.madinamerica.com
The Vatican conference on “The Child as a Person and as a Patient: Therapeutic A...Mehr anzeigen
Gestern um 14:06 · Gefällt mir · Vorschau entfernen
Maths Jesperson The Catholic Church has made no statement about psychiatry as far as I know. The seminar in the Vatican was about the growing use of psychotropic medication on children. I guess it’s part of a process, which will end in the Vatican making some kind of statement and perhaps also develops a policy around this issue.
According to the Catholic News Agency this was the aim of the conference:
The Pontifical Council for the Pastoral Care of Health Care Workers has organized the conference in hopes of bringing together professionals to discuss the harmful consequences of overusing prescription drugs for treating mental and emotional disorders in children as well as how a similar trend is hurting pregnant mothers.
“Pharmaceutical industries spend millions and millions of dollars on misinformation and we want to counteract that with this conference,” Duncan said.
According to Duncan, misinformed physicians are now frequently recommending children to take one of two main groups of drugs, Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors, better known as SSRIs, and anti-psychotics.
“SSRIs double the risk of suicide for children while anti-psychotics cause cardiovascular problems, obesity and diabetes,” said Duncan.
He said prescriptions for psychiatric drugs have increased by 274 percent globally in over 50 countries since 2003. In the United States alone, 11 million SSRIs are being given to children each year, he added.
“Anti-psychotics used to be reserved for adults with serious mental disorders but now they’re being given to children who are poor because it is the easier option,” he added.
The conference hopes to prove that “psychosocial options” are better than “psychotropic care.” In other words, a sort of psychotherapy is safer than drugs, which are the cheaper and faster option.
http://cal-catholic.com/wordpress/2013/ ... ince-2003/
Use of psychotropic drugs up 274% since 2003
cal-catholic.com
An upcoming conference at the Vatican will examine the harmful effects of using ...Mehr anzeigen
vor 9 Stunden · Gefällt mir